Comments on: Basic, Beginner Level Content for SharePoint Users http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/ No GeekSpeak on SharePoint 2007 WSS and MOSS Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:38:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Nancy http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-52470 Nancy Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:04:11 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-52470 Thanks to everyone who commented, since I have probably turned to each one of you for help at least once. I have to jump in and echo anyoneone who stressed the importance of the "why" in any article, training or demo- showing someone "how" to do something never works unless they can relate those steps to a concrete reason or need. How to implement versioning? Piece of cake. WHY might you want/need versioning? OMG, that could take an hour. Not to mention the tangents it will lead that unknowing business user off into. Thanks to everyone who commented, since I have probably turned to each one of you for help at least once.

I have to jump in and echo anyoneone who stressed the importance of the “why” in any article, training or demo- showing someone “how” to do something never works unless they can relate those steps to a concrete reason or need.

How to implement versioning? Piece of cake. WHY might you want/need versioning? OMG, that could take an hour. Not to mention the tangents it will lead that unknowing business user off into.

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By: EndUserSharePoint http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-52422 EndUserSharePoint Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:39:51 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-52422 I think that was by Lee Reed. Select 'Topics -> Authors' and click Lee's name. It will show you all the articles he's published. Hope that helps. -- Mark I think that was by Lee Reed. Select ‘Topics -> Authors’ and click Lee’s name. It will show you all the articles he’s published. Hope that helps. — Mark

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By: Ethan http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-52166 Ethan Mon, 05 Apr 2010 15:29:32 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-52166 Thanks for the pointers and directions Mark! I have a question, a long while ago (year plus) I believe you published an article on spiffing up homepages using a Sharepoint Blog and an RSS reader to reformat the blog on a homepage as a recent news type piece of content. I haven't been able to find the article for the life of me, any pointers? Thanks for the pointers and directions Mark!

I have a question, a long while ago (year plus) I believe you published an article on spiffing up homepages using a Sharepoint Blog and an RSS reader to reformat the blog on a homepage as a recent news type piece of content. I haven’t been able to find the article for the life of me, any pointers?

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By: Rob Kronick http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-44330 Rob Kronick Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:20:59 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-44330 Hi again. My comment is for Dessie. I would really, really like to hear "some of the internal solutions many of my users have come up with." Would you mind sharing this with us. Either that, or please be free to email me at [email protected]. I'd just love to hear about them. Rob. Hi again. My comment is for Dessie. I would really, really like to hear “some of the internal solutions many of my users have come up with.” Would you mind sharing this with us. Either that, or please be free to email me at [email protected]. I’d just love to hear about them.

Rob.

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By: Christophe http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-43970 Christophe Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:09:09 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-43970 For the record, a while ago I used Yahoo Pipes to build a mashup of SharePoint blogs targeting end users: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=YgNdKIbr3RGU67bLzM6PRA&_render=rss We could imagine a similar mashup targeted at beginners, including: - a subset of EndUserSharePoint.com -SharePoint Blank - Get the Point - etc. For the record, a while ago I used Yahoo Pipes to build a mashup of SharePoint blogs targeting end users:
http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=YgNdKIbr3RGU67bLzM6PRA&_render=rss

We could imagine a similar mashup targeted at beginners, including:
- a subset of EndUserSharePoint.com
-SharePoint Blank
- Get the Point
- etc.

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By: Joel Oleson http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-43558 Joel Oleson Tue, 09 Mar 2010 02:15:29 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-43558 Awesome comment stream. I see a lot of things being discussed here very openly. Lots of good solution recommendations. My favorites: 1. categories - make it easy to find and navigate and subscibe at various depth levels 2. tag or wiki based navigation 3. What's New Webpart consumable by corps great discussion Awesome comment stream. I see a lot of things being discussed here very openly. Lots of good solution recommendations.

My favorites:
1. categories – make it easy to find and navigate and subscibe at various depth levels
2. tag or wiki based navigation
3. What’s New Webpart consumable by corps

great discussion

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By: Brian http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-43373 Brian Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:31:33 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-43373 Our Microsoft SharePoint end-user documentation team blog is at http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/blogs/GetThePoint/default.aspx. Admittedly, we run into the same issue of trying not to blog about uploading a document for the umpteenth time. The feed is http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/blogs/GetThePoint/_layouts/listfeed.aspx?List={8D9E2A99-F288-47C2-916B-2F32864F7B82} One of the better ways to get end-users up to speed is the “Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 Training Portal Edition”, installs on SharePoint, and the “Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 Training Standalone Edition”, installs on local computers. • Portal, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=673DC932-626A-4E59-9DCA-16D685600A51&displaylang=en • Standalone, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7BB3A2A3-6A9F-49F4-84E8-FF3FB71046DF&displaylang=en There is also great free SharePoint Server 2007 training at http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/CR102146081033.aspx. There are extensive series on using document libraries, calendars, workflows, and Excel services. The SharePoint Server 2007 Help is at, http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepointserver/FX101211721033.aspx. You can use it as is or provide the most relevant content to your end-users. I hope this Helps. It also has me thinking about how best to provide our content for SharePoint 2010. Thanks, Brian Our Microsoft SharePoint end-user documentation team blog is at http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/blogs/GetThePoint/default.aspx. Admittedly, we run into the same issue of trying not to blog about uploading a document for the umpteenth time. The feed is http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/blogs/GetThePoint/_layouts/listfeed.aspx?List={8D9E2A99-F288-47C2-916B-2F32864F7B82}

One of the better ways to get end-users up to speed is the “Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 Training Portal Edition”, installs on SharePoint, and the “Microsoft Office SharePoint Server 2007 Training Standalone Edition”, installs on local computers.

• Portal, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=673DC932-626A-4E59-9DCA-16D685600A51&displaylang=en

• Standalone, http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7BB3A2A3-6A9F-49F4-84E8-FF3FB71046DF&displaylang=en

There is also great free SharePoint Server 2007 training at http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/training/CR102146081033.aspx. There are extensive series on using document libraries, calendars, workflows, and Excel services.

The SharePoint Server 2007 Help is at, http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/sharepointserver/FX101211721033.aspx. You can use it as is or provide the most relevant content to your end-users.

I hope this Helps. It also has me thinking about how best to provide our content for SharePoint 2010.

Thanks,

Brian

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By: Dessie Lunsford http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-43317 Dessie Lunsford Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:22:27 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-43317 [Cristophe wrote] "ok, now I start picturing Dessie serving his calculated columns on the formula cooking channel…" Something along the lines of..."Cooking with Calculated Columns on a Budget", or "3-Minute Formulas", or "You Can Calculate"...just so many title possibilities...LOL One of the things I deal with almost daily in my organization is new users to the world of SharePoint and how to get them up to speed. As a developer/designer/trainer/"solution creator" for all things SharePoint at my work, I normally just sit down with them on a one-to-one basis for a couple hours taking them on the tour of what SharePoint is. We cover as much as possible without "SP-Overload" (not always possible, but we try), and I always make it a poitn for them to bring in some material that they'd like to be able to migrate/manage to a site so we have something literal to find a solution for. Once we're done, I let them digest what they've learned and then come back with additional questions. I normally send them a variety of links for additional resources (EUSP being at the top of the list), but as the main (only) contact for any and all things SharePoint, they always come back to me with specific problems and questions about how to solve a particular scenario...which I encourage ( I do enjoy that part of my work). This all works fine in the short-term, because for my users (and anybody really), its nice to have a real person they can talk to...someone that will answer their questions and help them to discover what can be done within the system. In the long-term however, self-service is the key. Not because I dont want them to come back to me for answers, but because I want, and encourage them, to actively seek and discover how to do things on their own...either through intuitively discovering how to do things in a system that (hopefully) they're becoming used to, or by searching online at various resources. We've tried numerous times throughout the years at creating our own internal "Wiki" to serve as the knowledge base for everything that all of our users have learned how to do in SharePoint (let them write the content), but each effort has resulted in nothing more than an initial ramp-up of interest...then eventual lack of use (which is unfortunate given some of the internal solutions many of my users have come up with). With all this being said, I'd like to be able to send my users to a place where they could find all the information they need...something that was easy to use, easy to search, and intuitive on how to find the answers they need. As I said, EUSP is at the top of the list of resources I send them a link to, but its not uncommon for me to hear back how they have to sift through (what appeared to them as) a bunch of stuff for advanced users ("script" stuff, "Data View Webpart" [what the heck is that?, they've asked], site management, permissions)..."Where's the stuff for 'End Users'?"..."Most of the stuff on the site seems like its for administrators, tekkies, or programmers" (yes, even though technically "We" [Mark and each of the contributors to the site] dont write or cover anything on the "Developer" side of the house on the site...there is a very fine line between "Coding" and "Scripting" that not everyone is familiar with). I like the idea's that are being discussed in these comments. With the sheer amount of information found within this site, we need a better way to surface all of it...old and new. Tagging by difficulty level with a separate page/area to search each would be a great start, differentiating areas of interest via the "Channel" idea also sounds interesting, "contextual" vs. "functional"...all of these approaches do have merit. Personally though, I'd like to see something more community-driven that provides answers and "How-To's" to meet the needs of anyone regardless of their experience level or searching "prowess". Not sure exactly how to accomplish this, but I can certainly picture it: - "Wiki-like" in nature, with searching and links (direct and cross-linked) to each and every article posted. - "Add to Knowledge-Base" option for threads posted on the STP forums for solutions to given problems (all levels covered there....from basic to advanced). - Dynamically updated "Top 20" most popular or frequently accessed topics/questions for each category of articles (searchable FAQ). - Separate RSS feeds for each category of articles, level of user (maybe even new categories for different types of solutions that are somehow related with feeds to those as well). - "User" Created/Edited content area - separate from STP, but feeds into the Wiki with content submitted and edited by the EUSP audience (this would be the place where users can create content they feel would benefit everyone - could be "Account-based" where they'd have to apply to be able to add/edit content, but would be a great way for anyone to be able to "Give back" on what they've learned. These are just examples of what I envision in my little "SharePoint Utopia of Knowledge"...and I realize thet there'd be some "logistic" things to work out in order to create something like this, but I think it'd be worth it in the end. Great discussion so far everyone...I 'm looking forward to seeing what comes out of this. - Dessie [Cristophe wrote]
“ok, now I start picturing Dessie serving his calculated columns on the formula cooking channel…”

Something along the lines of…”Cooking with Calculated Columns on a Budget”, or “3-Minute Formulas”, or “You Can Calculate”…just so many title possibilities…LOL

One of the things I deal with almost daily in my organization is new users to the world of SharePoint and how to get them up to speed. As a developer/designer/trainer/”solution creator” for all things SharePoint at my work, I normally just sit down with them on a one-to-one basis for a couple hours taking them on the tour of what SharePoint is. We cover as much as possible without “SP-Overload” (not always possible, but we try), and I always make it a poitn for them to bring in some material that they’d like to be able to migrate/manage to a site so we have something literal to find a solution for. Once we’re done, I let them digest what they’ve learned and then come back with additional questions. I normally send them a variety of links for additional resources (EUSP being at the top of the list), but as the main (only) contact for any and all things SharePoint, they always come back to me with specific problems and questions about how to solve a particular scenario…which I encourage ( I do enjoy that part of my work).

This all works fine in the short-term, because for my users (and anybody really), its nice to have a real person they can talk to…someone that will answer their questions and help them to discover what can be done within the system.
In the long-term however, self-service is the key. Not because I dont want them to come back to me for answers, but because I want, and encourage them, to actively seek and discover how to do things on their own…either through intuitively discovering how to do things in a system that (hopefully) they’re becoming used to, or by searching online at various resources.

We’ve tried numerous times throughout the years at creating our own internal “Wiki” to serve as the knowledge base for everything that all of our users have learned how to do in SharePoint (let them write the content), but each effort has resulted in nothing more than an initial ramp-up of interest…then eventual lack of use (which is unfortunate given some of the internal solutions many of my users have come up with).

With all this being said, I’d like to be able to send my users to a place where they could find all the information they need…something that was easy to use, easy to search, and intuitive on how to find the answers they need. As I said, EUSP is at the top of the list of resources I send them a link to, but its not uncommon for me to hear back how they have to sift through (what appeared to them as) a bunch of stuff for advanced users (”script” stuff, “Data View Webpart” [what the heck is that?, they've asked], site management, permissions)…”Where’s the stuff for ‘End Users’?”…”Most of the stuff on the site seems like its for administrators, tekkies, or programmers” (yes, even though technically “We” [Mark and each of the contributors to the site] dont write or cover anything on the “Developer” side of the house on the site…there is a very fine line between “Coding” and “Scripting” that not everyone is familiar with).

I like the idea’s that are being discussed in these comments. With the sheer amount of information found within this site, we need a better way to surface all of it…old and new. Tagging by difficulty level with a separate page/area to search each would be a great start, differentiating areas of interest via the “Channel” idea also sounds interesting, “contextual” vs. “functional”…all of these approaches do have merit. Personally though, I’d like to see something more community-driven that provides answers and “How-To’s” to meet the needs of anyone regardless of their experience level or searching “prowess”.

Not sure exactly how to accomplish this, but I can certainly picture it:

- “Wiki-like” in nature, with searching and links (direct and cross-linked) to each and every article posted.
- “Add to Knowledge-Base” option for threads posted on the STP forums for solutions to given problems (all levels covered there….from basic to advanced).
- Dynamically updated “Top 20″ most popular or frequently accessed topics/questions for each category of articles (searchable FAQ).
- Separate RSS feeds for each category of articles, level of user (maybe even new categories for different types of solutions that are somehow related with feeds to those as well).
- “User” Created/Edited content area – separate from STP, but feeds into the Wiki with content submitted and edited by the EUSP audience (this would be the place where users can create content they feel would benefit everyone – could be “Account-based” where they’d have to apply to be able to add/edit content, but would be a great way for anyone to be able to “Give back” on what they’ve learned.

These are just examples of what I envision in my little “SharePoint Utopia of Knowledge”…and I realize thet there’d be some “logistic” things to work out in order to create something like this, but I think it’d be worth it in the end.

Great discussion so far everyone…I ‘m looking forward to seeing what comes out of this.

- Dessie

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By: EndUserSharePoint http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-43299 EndUserSharePoint Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:34:14 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-43299 Ruven, I am liking that idea more and more. It's going to take a little legwork on my end to have Natasha get everything setup, but it looks as if it is what people are expecting with this much content. After setting up everything, I'll build a free, content editor web part and make it available to the public to place on their SharePoint sites. The only glitch will be for those running an https connection because they will get a security warning in IE everytime a page loads with that web part on it. Information Workers Power Users Site Collection Admin We'll see how this plays out. Mark Ruven,

I am liking that idea more and more. It’s going to take a little legwork on my end to have Natasha get everything setup, but it looks as if it is what people are expecting with this much content. After setting up everything, I’ll build a free, content editor web part and make it available to the public to place on their SharePoint sites. The only glitch will be for those running an https connection because they will get a security warning in IE everytime a page loads with that web part on it.

Information Workers
Power Users
Site Collection Admin

We’ll see how this plays out.
Mark

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By: Ruven Gotz http://www.endusersharepoint.com/2010/03/04/basic-beginner-level-content-for-sharepoint-users/comment-page-1/#comment-43295 Ruven Gotz Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:39:22 +0000 http://www.endusersharepoint.com/?p=6445#comment-43295 Mark, to follow-up on Kieth's comment, you could create a collection of RSS feeds for different audiences that republish older posts. This would leverage the huge base of content already on the site, plus give someone new to this site that flow of "new" stuff every week (or every day, or whatever frequency they choose) that some people seem to be asking for. A site full of info is great for research, but overwhelming for someone who wants to learn in a more regulated way. Get the info out to them with a sprinkler, not a fire-hose. - Ruven Mark, to follow-up on Kieth’s comment, you could create a collection of RSS feeds for different audiences that republish older posts.

This would leverage the huge base of content already on the site, plus give someone new to this site that flow of “new” stuff every week (or every day, or whatever frequency they choose) that some people seem to be asking for.

A site full of info is great for research, but overwhelming for someone who wants to learn in a more regulated way. Get the info out to them with a sprinkler, not a fire-hose.

- Ruven

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